# The forum is dying, why?
**URL:** https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856
**Category:** Help
**Created:** [December 7, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856 "2023-12-07T23:58:16Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 5
### Author:  [@danger\_kitty](https://forum.makecode.com/u/danger_kitty)
#### Post date: [February 15, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/82 "2024-02-15T00:05:27Z")
this is why we need a follow button so people like you could be like "I only want to see games by X and all the big projects there working on and not just random spam topics pinging you all the time
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### Author:  [@ChimbroDaPro](https://forum.makecode.com/u/ChimbroDaPro)
#### Post date: [February 15, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/83 "2024-02-15T00:05:27Z")
Exactly! I’m not even going to lie to you, you can literally check all my posts, but I feel the whole “forum is dying” situation is a bit of an overreaction. I mean, sure, stuff obviously still needs to change, especially with the random off-topic stuff, but this is still the best coding community I’ve ever seen, so, honestly I don’t know why we’re freaking out about this.
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### Author:  [@frandev](https://forum.makecode.com/u/frandev)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/84 "2024-02-20T17:55:28Z")
LMAO?!!?!?!?
(this is accurate 😭)
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### Author:  [@thedarkwars1914](https://forum.makecode.com/u/thedarkwars1914)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2024, 6:06pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/85 "2024-02-26T18:06:57Z")
Even though I’m a new user, I noticed that most people give up after a while. And some have faced the challenge of making a game, especially a big one, and optimizing it through Make Code Arcade. Strangely enough, I gave up on most of my big game ideas for this reason. Unfortunately, there are many reasons why forums are dying. That’s all from me for now, I don’t know if anyone has time to read this.
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### Author:  [@randomuser](https://forum.makecode.com/u/randomuser)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/86 "2024-02-26T22:48:49Z")
XD That’s considered short for this topic!
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### Author:  [@some\_user](https://forum.makecode.com/u/some_user)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/87 "2024-02-27T19:02:52Z")
yes its very short
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### Author:  [@Cursedeclipse](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Cursedeclipse)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/88 "2024-02-29T18:07:22Z")
welcome, welcome to the forums!
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### Author:  [@Josef](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Josef)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/89 "2024-03-01T17:22:29Z")
Have fun out here! @some_user
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### Author:  [@thedarkwars1914](https://forum.makecode.com/u/thedarkwars1914)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/90 "2024-03-04T19:23:48Z")
welcome to community @some_user
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### Author:  [@thedarkwars1914](https://forum.makecode.com/u/thedarkwars1914)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/91 "2024-03-04T22:17:44Z")
I’m not the only one experiencing this, am I? ‘‘The engine is not optimized at its best, so doing large projects becomes no fun after a while (because the entire workspace slows down, becomes unusable after a few hundred blocks)’’
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### Author:  [@Taser](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Taser)
#### Post date: [March 5, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/92 "2024-03-05T19:19:21Z")
When you have over a few hundred lines of code (switch to JS/Python mode to see), the engine’s fps will obviously be absurdly low. No one likes this. Although, really, it doesn’t stop a lot of people from making the big games that gain lots of views. Usually when you are forced to deal with lag, you should have to optimize the code (or just switch to JS or Python mode to HEAVILLY decrease lag) yourself to improve the Workspeed, instead of relying on the engine to baby you with the speed.
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### Author:  [@Luke](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Luke)
#### Post date: [March 5, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/93 "2024-03-05T19:19:56Z")
Well more like after 2000-3000
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### Author:  [@\_jupiter](https://forum.makecode.com/u/_jupiter)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/94 "2024-03-17T22:01:23Z")
the forums are kinda improving guys
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### Author:  [@Josef](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Josef)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/95 "2024-03-18T18:29:51Z")
Thankfully yes
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### Author:  [@Sonicblaston](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Sonicblaston)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/96 "2024-03-18T22:53:41Z")
Wohooo!! Celebrtating time!
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### Author:  [@Josef](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Josef)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/97 "2024-03-19T22:29:25Z")
YES 🥳 🥳 🥳 🥳 🥳 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉
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### Author:  [@SoftTalker](https://forum.makecode.com/u/SoftTalker)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/98 "2024-03-20T19:55:37Z")
I’ve noticed that makecode has less people than scratch due to the fact that most textbooks teach students more about scratch than makecode.
textbooks promote makecode microbit at standard 6 like they say its harder or something but you might be wondering, what does this have to do with the forums well the only way to discover the forums is ur fwens tell you about it or you find it out online in the makecode yt channel or the most unlikely one and the one where i found out about this was the share button where there is a forums option
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### Author:  [@NeoStreak](https://forum.makecode.com/u/NeoStreak)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/99 "2024-06-25T21:26:05Z")
I never read the whole thing just half but tldr, are you saying that new users are ruining stuff? I’ve only been on this forum for a few days, and you seem to complain about new users being off-topic which can be seen as subjective. I’ve seen the quotes about people are tired of the off-topic stuff, but it kind of diminishes the point of the show & tell category, and the rules never said anything about “if you’re being off-topic, you get a warning” or something like that. And it doesn’t make any sense when you said
" I suppose we continue to create great stuff, no matter what kind of off-topic posts anyone makes" you could’ve been doing that the whole time. Additionally, this post is OFF-TOPIC. This is the help section. NOT show & tell or whatever category this fits in. So, what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. Just because I’m new doesn’t mean that I’m off-topic, in fact, everyone can be off topic, and it doesn’t matter if they’re new or not. I don’t understand what you mean.
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### Author:  [@Luke](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Luke)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/100 "2024-06-25T22:54:15Z")
> [@NeoStreak](#):
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> only been on this forum for a few days
doesn’t that mean that you’re not as experienced with this? Taser has been around for 3 years now
> [@NeoStreak](#):
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> diminishes the point of the show & tell category
the point of the show and tell category is to show off **makecode projects** not to chat about random stuff (thats why we have the weekly and chatting topics!)
> [@NeoStreak](#):
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> the rules never said anything about “if you’re being off-topic, you get a warning” or something like that
says it right here: [Makecode forum code of conduct](https://forum.makecode.com/t/makecode-forum-code-of-conduct/1729)
> [@MakeCode Forum Code of Conduct](https://forum.makecode.com/t/makecode-forum-code-of-conduct/1729/1):
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> ### 3. Stay on topic
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> This is a forum to discuss MakeCode related topics. No politics or router reviews here.
also you shouldn’t need a warning to respect basic rules
Ultimately, taser was just tryna say how there are a lot of newer users **SOME** who post a lot of off-topic things and that has led to some decline in forum quality, **not** that every new member is immediately off topic.
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### Author:  [@Taser](https://forum.makecode.com/u/Taser)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://forum.makecode.com/t/the-forum-is-dying-why/24856/101 "2024-06-25T22:54:59Z")
This post was directed at people like 4 months ago, times have changed a lot since then, so this reply probably didn’t age too well. Either way, I figured that you COMPLETELY misunderstood my post and the post itself.
(also, for some reason, out of all the replies in this post, I’m the only one being bashed 😕?)
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> [@NeoStreak](#):
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> if you’re being off-topic, you get a warning
This wasn’t abt the forum’s TOS, it was about all the users leaving due to the off-topic stuff. Also, your whole argument of off-topic stuff not being mentioned in the TOS makes little to no sense whatsoever, this is like saying I can post NSFW-tier stuff just because Code of Conduct never mentioned it.
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> [@NeoStreak](#):
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> I never read the whole thing just half but tldr, are you saying that new users are ruining stuff
This wasn’t the intention, this wasn’t anyone’s intention in this post. This post was mainly regarding the fact that the off-topic stuff caused users to leave as said in the early replies of this post. Plus I tried to stay as nice as possible:
> [@Taser](#):
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> Now, I’m not remorseless, so I apologize if I offended any of the new users. However, a reminder, the forums are run by us users, but the majority of the users are mostly off-topic with every single thing they post. The way I currently see this situation, more users joining = Forum Vets decreasing, Correlation = causation in this case. They are causing big problems. I feel like Scratch is now better than Makecode, not just because of their game engine, but because of their community as a whole. Like, have you seen what is happening right now?
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> [@NeoStreak](#):
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> Just because I’m new doesn’t mean that I’m off-topic, in fact, everyone can be off topic, and it doesn’t matter if they’re new or not.
Yeah I know, I addressed this off-topic stuff in my post aswell. Off-topic stuff always existed, however it never boomed that much before. Not to the point where users began to leave because of it
> [@Taser](#):
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> Now, I can accept that whole off-topic posts flying around. After all, as long as a community exists, there will always be people who decide to make off-topic stuff, for some reason. However, the main problem is all these off-topic posts obstructing the great content. If you’re going to make off-topic content, feel free, I’m not a dictator, at least make the off-topic content somewhat beneficial to the forums. Stuff like Chatting Area! Have fun!, and Weekly Topic, are MASTERPIECES at doing this. Everyone loves them, they allow us to bond with each other in a good way, compared to most of the off-topic stuff I see today.
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> [@NeoStreak](#):
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> you could’ve been doing that the whole time.
Dude, trying to paint me as a hypocrite is definitely not a good look when you forgot all the other 98 replies on this post. You’re conveying yourself as a supremacist by trying to act like only people who consistently post high-quality games are the GOATS of the forums, and everyone else ought to leave the forums in disgrace. There are people who barely post game links these days on these forums but are still considered beloved, take @DangerNoodle for example.
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And done with my rambling, after so many words and characters, I can finally rest my case.
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